Bil Browning

Reserving comment

Filed By Bil Browning | December 04, 2006 11:17 AM | comments

Filed in: Politics
Tags: immigration, Iraq, Mexico, military, War on Terror

I got this via e-mail from a friend of mine. At this time I'm going to reserve comment on it (although regular readers will probably be able to automatically judge my reaction). I've mentioned it to a couple other folks and their responses have been mixed - some liked the idea and some didn't. What do you think? I'm looking for comments on this one - I'll throw my thoughts in the comments section as well after reading a few responses. Emphasis is mine below.

New Immigration Plan

Bring our troops home from Iraq to guard the border. When they catch an illegal immigrant crossing the border, hand him a canteen, rifle and some ammo and ship him to Iraq . Tell him if he wants to come to America, then he must serve a tour in the military. Give him a soldier's pay while he's there and tax him on it. After his tour, he will be allowed to become a citizen since he defended this country. He will also be registered to be taxed and be a legal patriot. This option will probably deter illegal immigration and provide a solution for the troops in Iraq, and the aliens trying to make a better life for themselves. If they refuse to serve, ship them to Iraq anyway, without the canteen, rifle or ammo. Problem solved.

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If they refuse to serve, ship them anyway?

Xenophobic at best, Bil.

I had no idea how deep-seeded the immigration problem is, until this election. Call me naive, but it didn't occur to me there was a huge problem.

I think this "problem" exists in the eyes of the far right, who believe this labor force should only be used to cheap labor, without regard to their human and civil rights.

In most circles, that's called exploitation.

If you check, it's mostly the same crowd who believes that detainees in Gitmo, et al, do not deserve any rights.

Starting with our AG, an Hispanic American himself. Ironic, huh?

Not a proud

"proud moment for our country, which is historically a nation which welcomes all."

My first thought, if this is a friend of bilerico then s/he must be suffering from a very overworked / burnt out sense of humor.

Be kind to your victim ... and don't forget to share with us.

I have a friend who joined the US army pre 9-11 because after his enlistment was up, he would be able to be fast-tracked for citizenship. I wished him well, but thought it was a rather extreme way to get out of his circumstances.

But that? That's just offensive. Even more so if the writer and/or person who sent it to you (who presumably is a citizen) has never deigned to serve in the armed forces him or her self.

I always gave my dad the benefit of the doubt when he said things like that because... well, because he was from the deep, deep south and never did shake that underlying racist upbringing, but nowadays, the crap that is spouted above is bandied about by people who have never, and would never, volunteer to serve in the military, much less during a time of war.

That last bit is simple ignorance and hatred of a kind that I'm quite familiar with. My Mom (a Devout, heaven-bound catholic according to her) says crap like that all the time. "I don't hope that they die a horrible and painful death, but if they do, I'll dance a little jig in celebration." It's hardly christian and veers quite close to the displays of muslims dancing in the streets after terrorist actions that our own mullahs on Fox News display to stoke our outrage.

Okay, I'll give my opinion now. First, let me say that the sender is an ex-boyfriend who lives in Texas. He's never served in the armed forces. And this isn't the first time he's sent me crap like this.

I agree with Rick whole-heartedly that it's xenophobic and racist. It's a bunch of bullshit aimed at immigrant-bashing while trying to sheath it up in a "comedy" wrapper.

Now - what kills me. I mentioned this to four friends - mostly to bitch about it. Reasonable, intelligent people. And ALL of them thought it was a good idea. Really. They supported the idea. What the hell is that about? I think that's why I posted it to see if anyone else would agree with the clip. So far, no one has - but I'd be interested in seeing if anyone does.

Sometimes folks won't admit to racist thoughts when they're name is on it - but will when it's "just between friends."

So, Bil, now we're your bullshit barometer? LOL

Whatever works, man. This was BS of the first order. How could you have dated a troglodyte like that?

Ah, knows no sense.

Bruce Parker II | December 5, 2006 2:42 AM

kdm says, "I always gave my dad the benefit of the doubt when he said things like that because... well, because he was from the deep, deep south and never did shake that underlying racist upbringing, but nowadays, the crap that is spouted above is bandied about by people who have never, and would never, volunteer to serve in the military, much less during a time of war."

I share your pain my family is from the south as well and really struggles with issues of race. However, I always struggle with this idea that the south is the locus of all racial issues. Sadly, racism doesn't neccessarily have a direct correlation with a deep southern accent. Many anti-racist activistss over the years and even historically in the civil rights struggle were southerners. My grandmother may say "colored" but she also made me play with the black neighbors and taught me what it means to be anti-racist even though her language never caught up to her understandings.

Is racism more deadly when its spoken in a southern accent or when its behind closed doors in good northern white suburbs of urban centers where so many black folks and people of color live in poverty?


I agree with you. The south isn't the only bastion of racism in the country. One look at the history of Indiana in the not-so-recent past is enough to dispel that thought.

However... my dad was born and raised in the deep south of the late 20's and kept those attitudes afer he moved north after WW 2 even as those of his siblings mellowed, to the extent that we were not quite afraid to, but loathe to bring non-caucasian friends around to hang out after school for fear of repercussions.

I know that many white southerners fought for civil rights at their own considerable risk. I didn't intend to use my dad to indict all southerners, but that IS the way that he was brought up (thankfully, my sibs and I haven't absorbed that lesson), and it is still representative of of a small, but significant attitude that still prevails across the country.

Racism is deadly whether it comes from the mouth of a skinhead, Trent Lott, or a suburban housewife worrying about property values because "those kind of people" have moved in down the street.