Waymon Hudson

Equality is a sign of the apocalypse?

Filed By Waymon Hudson | May 21, 2008 2:15 PM | comments

Filed in: Fundie Watch, Marriage Equality, Media
Tags: apocalypse, Faith2Action, Janet Folger, John McCain, marriage equality, Mayor Naugle

Raving Fundie favorite Janet Folger is back and frothing at the mouth more than ever. What's got her going this time? Marriage equality, of course.

folger.jpgTo refresh your memory, dear Projectors, Folger is the head of Faith2Action and author of "The Criminalization of Christianity". She was one of Mayor Naugle's biggest supporters this past summer in Fort Lauderdale when he went on his bigoted anti-gay tirade. Folger even gave him the "Family Protector of the Year" award. Seriously. She also flip-flopped over McCain, at first saying only "sheep" would vote for McCain over Huckabee, then baaaa-ing her way into McCain's corner and endorsing him when he secured the nomination. Her last rant that I posted on was titled "Anita Bryant was right." Seeing a theme?

Well hold on to your hats, because the crazy train is off! Reacting to the California decision for marriage equality, Folger let loose this theory- gay marriage means the end of the world.

Her missive against marriage equality for LGBT folks featured this wonderful title- "How same-sex marriage points to end of the world"- and is filled with more fire and brimstone than an Ozzy Osborne concert.

Let's go down the rabbit hole together, shall we?

From her WorldNetDaily "Exclusive" Commentary:

There was only one time in history, according to these writings, where men were given in marriage to men, and women given in marriage to women.

Want to venture a guess as to when? No, it wasn't in Sodom and Gomorrah , although that was my guess. Homosexuality was rampant there, of course, but according to the Talmud, not homosexual "marriage." What about ancient Greece ? Rome ? No. Babylon ? No again. The one time in history when homosexual "marriage" was practiced was ... during the days of Noah. And according to Satinover, that's what the "Babylonian Talmud" attributes as the final straw that led to the Flood. ...

In fact, [Caucus for America's Aryeh Spero] said, "the writings indicated that it wasn't even so much the 'straw that broke the camel's back,' but that the sin in and of itself is so contrary to why God created the world, so contrary to the order of God's nature, that God said then and there 'I have to start all over ... to annihilate the world and start from the beginning. ...'

That's right gang- the biblical flood was brought on by gay people! That's a new one, even to me! I guess I better get out my inflatable water wings if that's the case. Although I do love a good day at the beach, so maybe it won't be all bad...

Her other assertion that there were no gay relationships in Greece, Rome, or Babylon are equally outrageous. I guess she skipped that part of history class. Or maybe they were just too busy teaching "creationism" to get into actual history.

But not to worry about the end times- Folger is on the case:

I'm praying and working to protect marriage in California (and the rest of the country) not only because I care about marriage, but because I care about civilization. And, if we obey God, he just may spare us from the judgment we deserve.

Well thank goodness that Folger cares enough about civilization to pray against equality. Maybe if she prays hard enough, she can get us back to the good old Bible days and "traditional" marriage- where women were property to be sold into marriage and owned as slaves. I think I'd rather have the flood option than that...

These kinds of rants are only going to become more common as our community slowly gains the rights and recognition we deserve. People like Folger, or Hagee with his "gays caused Katrina" sermons, will be crowing louder that recognizing our families and relationships are the end of the world.

One has to wonder what good could be accomplished for all people if these fundies put all the money and effort they spend on spewing hate into worthy causes. What good could they do if they spent even a portion of their energy on truly helping others, instead of trying to strip people of their rights?

I'm guessing the world would come to an end long before that ever happened...

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I'm praying that after Folger has raised all the money she's trying for, she stuffs the whole thing in her pocket and flies off to Rio.

I'll join you in prayer on that, Rev. Bob. :)

This reaction is so over-the-top. I swear, some of these fundies really are drama queens. I don't understand how or why they feel this is going to bring the Apocalypse. I mean, come on--you mean all the other world wars haven't brought it on, but my wanting to be able to marry a man will?

Riiiight. Whatever it is these people are smoking, they need to let up a bit.

Heck, the Myan calendar says the world will end on 12/21/12, gay marriage or not. Folger can't stop it, unless she finds the other 5 crystal skulls. Let the debotchery proceed!

Let's party like it's 2001!

Heck, the Myan calendar says the world will end on 12/21/12, gay marriage or not. Folger can't stop it, unless she finds the other 5 crystal skulls. Let the debotchery proceed!

Let's party like it's 2012!

Because 911 changed everything........

If gay marriage is such a powerfull destructive force, why aren't they demanding the military develop it for use against potential enemies. Hey - it would have to work better than what they've been using against Osama for the last 8 years.

Be a patriot - support gay marriage.

I am trying to think of ways to egg them on. One thing I learned a long time ago, the greater the hyperbole, the greater the fall.

In the USSR, some of the propaganda was so outrageous about the west, that once people began seeing the truth and hearing the truth, the folks running the propaganda machine lost all credibility with the actual populace. Maybe if the social conservative keep racheting up this kind of junk history they will finally achieve the same reaction--at which point we may finally be able to make some serious headway on rights for LGBTIQ in the rest of the country. Bets on the date of national gay marriage anyone?

Shannon, I thought the same thing. This jump in the fundie rhetoric will surely start chipping away at their already fragile crediblity.

Or just line their pockets even more, which is the real goal for most of them.

Shouldn't she be packing up to leave with The Rapture?
Why is she wasting precious time bothering US?

Kewl! Bring on the flood. I could use a vacation.

Oh Waymon I just don't know what's in the drinking water in our fair city. I find it hard to believe that Folger and the Mayor take themselves seriously. The strongest insult is that they really think that people are gullible enough to believe them. I'm not worried because I think that history (both pre and post the deluge) shows that their kind eventually fade away. I have confidence in the overall intelligence of our race, and I am convinced that we are continually evolving into superior beings. Meanwhile, thanks for being vigilant about stamping out the nasty little fires that threaten our camp.

Mercedes, have I told you how much I just adore you? :) Maybe we can get a houseboat together to survive the apocalyptic flood.

Father Tony, I'm glad you have confidence in the overall intelligence of our race. That makes one of us that does... :)

And I don't know what's in our water. We seem to grow the crazies down here- Anita Bryant, Naugle, Folger, Dozier, Kennedy... They are like crazy fundie weeds that thrive here.

Wouldn't it be ironic if The Rapture happened, and the fundies were the ones 'Left Behind' and the gayborhoods were empty?

Robert Ganshorn Robert Ganshorn | May 22, 2008 1:19 AM

That settles it, I'm switching to Nescafe! It is a meaningless gesture, but it makes as much sense as this looney!

"Crazy", as sung by Janet Folger

"I'm crazy
crazy for being a fundie
I'm crazy
crazy for feeling so screwed

I knew
you'd work as hard as you needed
so someday
you'd get the right to get married, too.

why do I let myself worry
what in the world did God do

for thinking that my hatred could change you
I'm crazy for crying
I'm crazy for trying
I'm crazy for hating you"

All apologies to that great American, Willie Nelson, although I think "I've Gotta Get Drunk" is a better song of his.

Hey Monica, your thought reminds me of an episode of Family Guy called 'Road to Rupert' where Stewie makes reference to Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell getting left behind after the Rapture.

"Dammit, Jerry, why are we the only ones still here?" "I don’t know, we hated all the right things."

Melanie Davis | May 22, 2008 4:00 AM

A friend of mine brought up a good point: these folks are plagued by or prey upon paranoid delusion, but whereas those with a legitimate mental illness have to write their own manifestos to support their outrageous claims, these people already have one placed in their hands by the Gideons. How can you counter something or hope to shed light into the world of someone who bends fact to fit their worldview? I mean, if Ms. Folger is using alternative sources of books for her claims, then why doesn't she go back to the oldest recorded story of the flood in The Epic of Gilgamesh? I don't remember any mention of gay marriage in that story, but maybe there was no word in Sanskrit for "Queers." And on top of all that, What the hell is she, as a Woman, doing interpreting scripture in the first place? Mayhaps we could get away with a nice stoning of her...

...just a thought - tasty, satisfying, rib-sticky thought.

KMFox9400 | May 22, 2008 7:43 AM

Janet, let me quote from the play Inherit the Wind,

"Read Your Bible!"

I don't know why I was so moved by the absurdity of her statements to do just that but I guess my strict Presbyterian upbringing compelled me to double check just in case she might be onto something.

However, I don't see anywhere in the Biblical account of Noah and the flood any reference to homosexuality and the only reference to marriage seems to refer to heterosexual marriage--"...the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose." Genesis 6:2 NIV

Later in the story we find a direct quote from the architect of the deluge himself, "So God said to Noah, 'I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them.'" Genesis 6:13 NIV (If God was miffed with the gays why didn't he just round them up and drown them like a litter of unwanted kittens?)

Now let's leave aside the whole illogic inherent in Janet's Old Testament view of a god who a few chapters earlier created the heavens and the earth and all its inhabitants and pronounced them "good" only to come to the conclusion a few chapters later that He may have made a boo-boo somewhere and had to flush that first experiment down the drain (so to speak).

And let's not get distracted by the whole wacky Lucy-Ricardo-Ethel-Mertz-kind of plan to preserve a handful of the boo-boos on a cruise ship so that they can generate a new family of inbreeds. Let's just leave that on the shore (so to speak).

And speaking of the shore, let's also let go of the confusion I remember having in Sunday school about what sort of an all-powerful god comes up with a massive world-wide destructive flood that somehow doesn't manage to wipe out an olive tree. (Where DID that olive tree come from anyway? Noah sent out a dove and the dove found an olive branch.) But I do digress.

Let's not quibble about some of the inconsistencies and lapses in the account and stipulate, as Janet would I'm sure insist, the account is all literal and true as written. (Albeit rewritten, reinterpreted in several languages and written again. But I do digress)

Based on what I read, it wasn't gay marriage (or gay anything for that matter--the gay thing doesn't show up in the Bible until Genesis 13) but willy-nilly straight marriages and the growth of violence among humans that brought on the God's wrath. Perhaps there is a day of reckoning coming but it might be because of today's world of violence, hate-crimes, senseless foreign wars and fundamentalism that pits group against group world -wide, not because Adam and Steve want to tie the knot.

Janet, read your Bible.

Melanie Davis wrote:

Mayhaps we could get away with a nice stoning of her...

(Mercedes sings off-key: "everybody must get stoned...")

Except maybe she already is.

Is there an echo . . . echo . . . echo . . . in here? It's got to be the Rapture. It seems that Mercedes was taken, then sent back, taken and sent back all in the blink of an eye. Welcome back, Mercedes . . . Mercedes . . . Mercedes.

SM - I freaking love you for quoting Family Guy!

Waymon, I think somebody needs to stop sniffing the Jesus paste.