Sara Whitman

Obama and Clinton?

Filed By Sara Whitman | August 15, 2008 2:00 PM | comments

Filed in: Politics
Tags: Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Democratic Convention, DNCC, Evan Bayh, Hillary Rodham Clinton, John Kerry, political drama, Sam Nunn

You have to admit it, the Obama campaign has been a big snore since Clinton dropped out of the race. Oh, sure, the Germany speech was great and he didn't pull a single Dukakis/tank moment in Iraq.

Obama-Clinton-McCain.jpgBut the excitement isn't there.

McCain, meanwhile, is busy busy busy. His numbers are frighteningly good. He continues to raise a lot of money. I recently learned that the co-owner of, Jonathan Critichley, has maxed out his contributions to McCain.

Keep up those memberships, boys, and you can guarantee you'll get fucked twice.

Doesn't seem to matter what McCain says about reproductive rights, about the war in Iraq, about anything. He keeps snipping away at Obama's lead. I love his recent ad proclaiming his capability to clean up Wall Street.

This from a man who also claims to not know very much about economics. Which is it Johnny?

Meanwhile, Obama's commercials are bland and hard to tell apart from McCain's. While watching the Olympics, the ads run often side by side.

Which one do we like? my son Jake keeps asking.

Obama. He's the good guy.

You sure?


The Democrats are doing it again. Blowing a sure thing in the home stretch. I can't even mention something I saw today on the internet because I refuse to propagate a rumor, especially against my candidate. But damn, lemme tell ya, it's damaging.

It's time for the bitch to come back because as we know, bitches get things done. Clinton needs to join Obama on the ticket and be let loose. She can rip into McCain- who needs to be ripped into- and Obama can keep his nose clean. Her mere presence is electrifying because you either love her or hate her.

It will give some life back to this campaign.

On the floor, at the convention, post roll call vote- a vote that Clinton will be listed in contention- why not have a little political theater and get the juices flowing again.

Obama Kerry? Obama Bayh? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Obama Nunn? That'll give you some splash but the wrong kind.

We're starting to stall, people. We need some fire. Some splash and excitement.

Obama and Clinton, 2008.

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Michael Crawford Michael Crawford | August 15, 2008 4:52 PM

I have gone back and forth on wanting Clinton as the VP pick. You are right Sara. She would go toe-to-toe with McCain and the Republican Slime Machine. She is incredibly smart, passionate and has a strong following.

My big concern frankly is Bill Clinton. He could not shut up during the primaries no matter how obvious it was that he was hurting Hillary's campaign. His racially-coded language was offensive. His ego is also bigger than the state of California.

I understand that I should not judge her by her husband, but this is politics and everything matters. If we could muzzle Bill, I would be jumping up and down screaming Obama/Clinton 08.

Obama/Clinton 2008: Electoral politics is empty

listen, alex, politics have been empty for years. this is about stirring the shit and getting people to vote.

most people don't give a shit about policy or content. they care about drama.

when you can watch an ad show wind power and see John McCain's face at the end?

time to get to it.

I know that's true, that's why I don't like it!

It'll never happen though. He'd have to watch his back too much. Haven't you seen the West Wing? :)

Seriously though, he'd have a hard time reigning her in to his agenda - she's very independent. Plus, it would always look like she was campaigning for President no matter whether she was or not; he'd have to constantly be putting out fires over the most minor of gaffes. And finally, like Michael, I wonder about Bill Clinton and his machinations behind the scenes more than I would Hillary's!

It's the summer. Both campaigns are furiously raising money right now. The activity level isn't going to pick up until the fall.

Hillary is not going to get the nomination. She's alienated the African-American community and many CBC members with the race baiting that was done in the last months of her campaign and the lukewarm support from her and Bill.

The lack of support for Obama from some white Democrats and the lame excuses for it is also pissing many of us off us off in light of the fact that African-Americans have been loyally supporting Democrats of all races with their votes for the last 40 years.

We see it as a slap in the face that some whites who call themselves Democrats haven't reciprocated now that the nominee is African-American, or now want to come up with ideological litmus tests that they don't hold white politicians to.

Bobs Friend | August 16, 2008 12:38 PM

It's time for the bitch to come back because as we know, bitches get things done. Clinton needs to join Obama on the ticket and be let loose. . . . Obama Kerry? Obama Bayh? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Obama Nunn? That'll give you some splash but the wrong kind.

The campaign has become beyond boring. I'm kind of thinking of planning to vote for McCain for a few days so I can have the satisfaction of changing my vote if I ever see that "O-BA-MA!" commercial again.

There isn't likely any VP choice out there who can bring as many votes with him/her as Clinton can. As for Bill, Obama could find ways to make him useful and keep him at a frequent distance from the White House in the foreign PR arena -- Bill could become Barak's Jackie Kennedy in a way. I'm not better than most people at making political predictions but I'm wondering if this is Obama's chosen route of picking her as a running mate without seeming to do it unilaterally.

Postscript here but an important one: NO ONE in this country as to come up with an "excuse" for choosing to not vote for any candidate, including Obama. And suggesting that a failure to vote for the candidate one is ordered to is a symptom of racism would be one of the best ways to swiftboat Obama there is.

Curtis Morton | August 18, 2008 1:49 PM

Wasn't it Obama who said on Saturday's Saddleback Civil Forum that marriage should be defined as between a man and a woman? It is expected of McCain, but the democrat too? A lot of Obama's answers were very similar to McCain's during the civil forum, except Obama wants to increase the taxes to the rich and decrease them for the middle class and poor (yeah right, Dems always love to increase taxes for everyone). Shouldn't there be a flat tax, say 18%, and whether you make $20,000 a year or $200,000 a year you pay the same percentage? Doesn't that make more sense and seem more fair? I'm not saying McCain will do that, but it's how it should be. Were there really any other differences between the two?

Bobs Friend | August 19, 2008 11:17 AM

Actually, Obama even told the Human Rights Campaign that "marriage is between a man and a woman" and then tossed out a little separate-but-equal crumb in a vague promise to "support" civil unions -- at the same time he promised to "leave it up to the states." Separate but equal and State's rights were unacceptable as public policy during the Civil Rights era, but Obama seems to have no problem with that.

My hunch about a President Obama is that he's going to make every decision, great and small, on the basis of one thing and one thing only: "what's in it for me?"