Alex Blaze

Prop 8 updates: New Field Poll, James Dobson cries, law professors unite

Filed By Alex Blaze | October 31, 2008 12:30 PM | comments

Filed in: Marriage Equality, Politics, The Movement
Tags: Alan Ashton, bruce bastian, California, donation plea, field poll, gay marriage, GLSEN, James Dobson, kindergarten, LGBT, marriage, marriage equality, moms, Mormon, no campaign, Prop. 8, rosie o'donnell, same-sex marriage, spanish, utah, WordPerfect

New polling. Field Poll has the newest and most trustworthy numbers out for Prop 8, with the initiative losing at 44-49.

Rosie's isn't giving. Michael Petrelis called Rosie O'Donnell out for not donating to fight Prop 8, even though she and her partner got a Gavin Newsom marriage in San Francisco, and even though she donated $1000 to Liddy Dole's campaign in 1998. But she did give boatloads of money to HRC, as well as $4200 to Angie Paccione, who challenged FMA author Marilyn Musgrave in 2006.

Jeremy Hooper has Rosie's responses to her fans, which includes the ever-witty "i think u r a moron."

Doc Dobson tears up. James Dobson, while on his talk radio show, was explaining why he's going to "The Call," and gets pretty emotional. Then again, he's "watching the destruction of Western civilization." Full audio is at Right Wing Watch.

What's "The Call"? It's this creepy-ass meet-n-greet in San Diego tomorrow.

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Nobody knows what will happen. To the same-sex marriages that have already been enacted, should Prop 8 pass.

Borsum and his partner, who have a 15-year-old son, dissolved their domestic partnership before getting married. "Where does that leave us?" asked Borsum, 48. "It's a mess in a legal way, but it's also a mess in how it makes people feel . . . very uncomfortable . . . and kind of sad."

Because a challenge to existing marriages would raise novel questions, no one is certain how the courts would rule. Two family law scholars interviewed by The Times predicted that the marriages would remain intact, while five constitutional scholars were divided over which side the law favors.[...]

But after researching the issue, New York University law professor Kenji Yoshino, who favors same-sex marriage, concluded that the U.S. Constitution would offer few protections to existing gay marriages if Proposition 8 passed.

"My hope going into this was that I would find a smoking gun case that would say those marriages would be protected," Yoshino said. "I kept looking and looking and looking, and when I couldn't find one, I was astonished."

Secret donor revealed! The No campaign is up-to-date on the mysterious donor who promised $1M in matching funds to the Yes campaign. He's Alan Ashton, grandson of a former LDS Church president, who made his fortune off WordPerfect. This move would balance out openly gay Bruce Bastian's $1M donation to the No campaign, the other cofounder of WordPerfect.

Kindergartners taught about TEH GAY. A Hayward kindergarten school teacher handed out GLSEN cards to sign to pledge not to use anti-LGBT language. It upset some parents, who presumably want their children to use the phrase "that's so gay" very badly, and now the exercise is being used as evidence that "gay unions" are being discussed with students.

I'm still looking for where marriage or relationships were discussed, but I can't find it. I guess I'm just too much of a homo to see it.

Fighting the lies. 59 law professors got together to write a letter basically calling the Yes campaign liars.

In short, these legal scholars conclude:

Prop 8 clearly discriminates against gay men and lesbians.
• Prop 8 would have no effect on the tax exemptions of churches.
• Prop 8 would have no effect on teaching or the protection of parental rights already provided by state law.

"As teachers of the law we feel an obligation to speak out when claims are made about the law that are simply and clearly false," said Professor Pam Karlan, the Kenneth and Harle Montgomery Professor of Public Interest Law at Stanford Law School.

New ads. From the No campaign, a new ad.

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The No campaign also put out a Spanish-language version of their "Moms" ad.

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And the Yes campaign put out a Spanish-language version of their "Truth" ad.

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West Hollywood Presbyterian Church

7350 Sunset Blvd Los Angeles, CA 90046
(323) 874-6646

Dear Friends,

Below is a copy of my press release from our Presbyterians' "Vote No on Prop 8" event held Tuesday, October 28. Please feel free to forward it to any of your contacts.

Blessings, Dan

For public release
Presbyterians Against Proposition 8
October 28, 2008

Brothers and Sisters of many faiths,

Let us be absolutely clear that in our opposition to Proposition 8 we are asking nothing more than what already exists in the respectful balance between the beliefs and practices of our many faiths and California constitutional law.

Within the many communities of faith in our State we have conflicting doctrines and beliefs that already govern the practice of marriage.

Our Roman Catholic, Mormon and many of our evangelical churches do not and will not marry persons who are divorced. But that does not mean that those who are divorced are constitutionally prohibited from the right of legal marriage in our state.

Likewise, our Roman Catholic, Mormon, and some Jewish and Muslim faith traditions will not marry persons of different faith traditions. But that does not mean that interfaith couples, or those of no particular faith tradition, cannot be married in our state.

Our California constitution honors all religious traditions by respecting our differences about religious marriage while at the same time providing and protecting the right of all couples to marry the person of their choice.

Prop. 8 would ELIMINATE the constitutional right of same sex couples to marry. That is unfair and unjust. California constitutional law already honors and respects religious differences. No religious institution is forced to marry anyone. But that does not mean that any person in our state should lose their constitutional right for legal marriage.

I urge you to protect our constitutional rights as well as our right to religious diversity and pluralism by voting NO on Proposition 8.

Thank you.

Rev. Daniel E. Smith
Pastor, West Hollywood Presbyterain Church
7350 W. Sunset Blvd
Los Angeles, CA 90046

Ph: 323-874-6646
E: [email protected]

Worship Service: Sundays at 11 AM

West Hollywood Presbyterian Church
7350 Sunset Blvd at Martel St
(between LaBrea and Fairfax)
Los Angeles, CA 90046