Alex Blaze

Bloggers on marriage

Filed By Alex Blaze | April 19, 2009 2:00 PM | comments

Filed in: Marriage Equality, Media
Tags: bloggers, blogosphere, conservatism, Democrats, gay marriage, left, lesbian, LGBT, liberal, marriage, marriage equality, national journal, republican, right, same-sex marriage

The National Journal does a weekly, completely non-scientific poll on where the left and right blogosphere is on a given issue. This week, one of the questions was about same-sex marriage:


I don't think that the lefty results are all that surprising. The people being asked aren't the party establishment, but are semi-organically chosen grassroots thought leaders who maintain a public identity with a political ideology. They're more likely to be the hard-line party activist position, and most of them agree that same-sex marriage is something to support.

On the right side, though, the results are a bit more interesting, and do ring true to me. I remember that a long time ago for a post that I've long-since forgotten about, I was looking for a quotation from Michelle Malkin to show that she was homophobic. It wasn't as easy as you would think. Sure, I could find some basic statements after some searching on her site about her being opposed to various LGBT rights (not entire posts devoted to it, but statements within other posts), and later on I'd find a lot of homophobic jokes and innuendo, but I wasn't able to find some sort of "man on dog" quotation from her.

I wonder if exposure to the internet and the media has made conservative bloggers tone back the homophobic discourse because they know it isn't a long-term winner (unlike anti-tax rhetoric). Do they think it's better to just avoid the issue because they know that about half the party would actually start demanding secession should the GOP support same-sex marriage, but that sort of rhetoric doesn't actually lead to a solid majority?

But there's a lot more disagreement on the issue on the right than there is on the left. Here are two of the conservatives' comments

"The GOP stands to be on the wrong side of history again. Gay marriage is inevitable and, arguably at least, promotes conservative values in a way that non-marriage alternatives don't." James Joyner, Outside The Beltway

I'm guessing he'd formulate, had he more space, an argument about how alternatives to marriage destroy the institution. As if that's a reason to oppose them.

But, OK, same-sex marriage is fine, civil unions aren't.

"I believe absolutely in giving gay couples the full panoply of legal rights available to straight couples, and I believe those rights should be recognized from one state to another. I am equally firm in my conviction that marriage is an ancient and unique institution, and one inextricably intertwined with religion, and that the state should not redefine marriage to suit the political whims of the moment." Bookworm, Bookworm Room

Or, I guess, civil unions are fine, same-sex marriage isn't.

Republican politicians, on the other hand, don't seem to have much problem with talking about same-sex marriage or finding a unified position against it. And Democratic politicians don't seem too motivated to support it.

All interesting stuff.

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I wonder if exposure to the internet and the media has made conservative bloggers tone back the homophobic discourse
Or maybe, and I know this seems a fantastic and unbelievable proposition - just maybe the left's propaganda about everyone on the right being baby-eating homophobes might be a teeny bit exaggerated? That the reason you couldn't find any gaybashing quotes from Michelle Malkin is because she's not made any?

Consider someone on the right who said something similar. "I went to Leftist site X to harvest all the juicy quotes about killing all the Christians, but I couldn't find any. Are they dialling back on their public anti-Christian rhetoric because they know it's not popular?"

My own view - there's no more homophobia on the right than on the left. On the right it's blatant and unashamed, even acceptable. Which I find disgusting. On the left, there's just as much, but it's hidden and covert.

The GNP blatantly campaigns against gay rights. The DMC just never gets round to granting them.

Right now, the problem in NY in gaining human rights is not the GNP - they're irrelevant. It's the DNC members who have made them irrelevant by sucking up to the Christian Taliban, sapping their base. Getting back to the DNC's roots as the party of the slaveowners during the Civil War.

I'm on the right, politically. But can we take it as read that I'm the exact opposite of these economically "progressive" and socially "reactionary" Dems? That although I'm on the right, if I believed there was a snowball's chance in hell of the DNC implementing their social policy, I'd support them. I prefer to work with - or against - blatant enemies though, rather than backstabbing hypocrites.

Absolutely, but it's not like Michelle Malkin hasn't made homophobic statements on her site or that her politics is anything but homophobic. She states over and over again that she opposes everything gay related (marriage, cu's, enda, military recruitment), but never really discusses a reason for that. Many conservative bloggers are the same way, and you've just got to wonder why they have a political opinion on a subject and never really discuss it.

And, yeah, lots of Democratic politicians aren't that great on marriage. But the graphs above aren't Dem politicians or Republican politicians - they're part of the noise machine of either side. Which was the point of posting this, since there's a big space between the blogs of either side and their politicians.

i encountered some pretty ugly, viscious leftist homophobia when Warren's appointment as official preacher laureate was being discussed. the idea was couched in terms of it not being a front burning issue, in terms of obama's statemanship, but the details essentially revealed ugly stereotypes about "lifestyles" rather than the real issues of family rights, health, jobs, safety, justice. remarks about gay whining... remarks about bedrooms... remarks about all the things the right frames things by, no difference. institutional homophobia, cultural homophobia.